S02_E08 - Healthcare the World Over - Senegal Edition

Speaker 1: 0:04

Welcome to the Healthy Matters podcast with Dr. David Hilden, primary care physician and acute care hospitalist at Hennepin Healthcare in downtown Minneapolis, where we cover the latest in health, healthcare and what matters to you. And now here's our host, Dr. David Hilden.

Speaker 2: 0:20

Hey everybody, it's Dr. David Hilden, and welcome to episode eight of the podcast. Whether you be here in Minnesota, or whether you be halfway around the world in a country very unlike Minnesota, you know, regardless of where you live, healthcare is common to all of us in the human family. And recently, I've had the chance to be halfway around the world in the country of Senegal, working with the people there on their own healthcare journeys. With me today, it's a good friend and colleague, BDO Diallo Young. She is a nurse practitioner here at Hennepin Healthcare in Minnesota, and a Senegalese woman, she is the founder of Chialo Africa, which is an organization dedicated to bridging connections between us here in the United States and the people of her native country of Senegal. Bolo, welcome to

Speaker 3: 1:03

The show. Thank you so much for having me.

Speaker 2: 1:04

So you're from Canal, K a n e l in the Northeastern part of Senegal. For our listeners, it's in the western part of Africa. If you think of nine o'clock on a clock, Senegal is nine o'clock, the western most country of Africa. How did you end up in the frozen tundra of Minnesota? Because, uh, listeners, I've now been to Senegal twice. The climate's a little bit different. Everything's a little bit different. How did you end up here growing up in Canal?

Speaker 3: 1:30

Um, I think everything happens for a reason. And, um, I came in in an exchange program, cultural exchange program as a young student, and I got opportunity to experience giving care as a home health aid. And that gave me the inspiration to go to school to be a provider or nurse, or even a provider, which is what I am now nurse practitioner. And, uh, it was meant to be. And I, this is where I met my husband and I started my family

Speaker 2: 1:59

And, and we were together on a, on a service here at the hospital. And I got ended up asking you, where are you from? Bolo? And you said, I'm from Senegal. And one thing led to another, and we ended up taking a group of doctors and nurse practitioners and others to your country back in 2018. You've done it again in 2022 and a third time now, and you are now the founder and the president of an organization called Chiala. First of all, what does chialo mean?

Speaker 3: 2:27

Yes. Um, chal, C E L L A L is, uh, health in Plar of Lanni. That's very important. I picked the word, um, carefully or intentionally because, uh, healthcare is very much lacking in that area of Senegal. And I owe the credit to you for founding Cala because because of you and the discussion we had, that's how everything started. And you being the backbone of Cala and your family and many other friends. So I couldn't do it without you. So it's a team effort.

Speaker 2: 3:02

It really is. I'm gonna tell people right now, and I'll repeat it later, go to Chiala, c e l l a l.org. That's the website of, of the organization that we're gonna be talking about here. So Senegal is a multicultural society. You ha you mentioned the word plar, your primary language. I also learned a lot of words of wool off, which is spoken frequently there and in many places. And French is the national or the colonial language. And you also speak English. Tell me a little bit about your country itself. What is healthcare like?

Speaker 3: 3:36

Yes. Uh, my country is, uh, considered a developing country, uh, meaning compared to the US or any other developed country, we still have a way to go. So, um, that's in many different areas and health is one of'em. Uh, not everybody has access to healthcare, especially the rural and, um, northern parts of Senegal. Transportation is hard. Uh, so we don't have ambulances taking people to hospitals when they need it. Uh, people may die because of lack of transportation, also, lack of, uh, financial means to access health and lack of education on health. So all of these factors are contributing to, um, lack of health and lack of health history in Senegal.

Speaker 2: 4:21

So when we went back to Canal, your, your hometown, and I I also have to say, um, talked about your country. You have two countries, this is your country,<laugh>, my native United States is your country, but the country that you grew up in is Senegal. Um, when we went to Canal, you are greeted there, almost like royalty. I noticed people, uh, I'm just gonna paint a picture for you listeners. Cannell is a small to medium sized town in the northeastern part of the country of Senegal. It's near the Mauritania Borner, the country of Mauritania. Just a few miles actually. The people there that we met are perhaps the most welcoming, warm people I've ever met. And when we come there with bolo, they see a returning daughter of Canal, and she is something to behold when we're over there. Um, she is an obvious, obviously welcomed and loved leader who came over to the United States and then went back to her home country and brought a bunch of us, hopefully to do a little bit of good. What do you hope to accomplish with Chiala?

Speaker 3: 5:25

What I hope to accomplish is to collaborate with, uh, the local healthcare leaders and providers and to create together something that's sustainable. The sustainability that I'm talking about is that, um, we are coming to, we build trust between, uh, Cala team and the local leaders to the point where now, um, they are offering us, uh, ways to help build sustainability. We are expecting to get two actors of land where the women, the local women can start gardening, where they will grow very nutritious vegetables and fruits that will help support their health, because that's not very common. They don't have access to those, uh, uh, vegetables, but the land, the soil is very, very good. So having those ladies create their own activities and be able to support themselves, be able to buy their medications when it's needed and eat healthy, I think that's the sustainability that we are living there. And we gonna move those ideas to some other parts of Senegal, which we already started to set up to build relations in the south of Senegal, which is sho and also in some parts of Dakar. So hopefully we'll move to other countries, uh, like Liberia. So that's the goal for Cala.

Speaker 2: 6:48

You talked about the Women of Canal, and I want to talk to you a little bit about roles in in the country. Uh, I'm gonna paint a picture for, for listeners. So people in, in the, the Women of Canal, the women of Dakar, the women of the whole country seemed to be so engaged, leading, um, so many activities. We met social workers who are helping teenage youth. We met, uh, uh, we went to an orphanage. We met midwives. We met all kinds of people who are leading, and particularly women. Uh, I know and I met some wonderful Senegalese men as well. But could you talk about the role of women in development in Senegal?

Speaker 3: 7:29

Yes. Women in Senegal, uh, unlike what we may think are very much, uh, they play a big role in the society. First of all, I'll start with, uh, older women. Um, they're seen as wise as, uh, the gatekeepers and they listen to men before they go do any activity or any engagement. They, or project, big project, they go to their mom and ask for advice, ask for blessing, and women are taking care of the kids. They're taking care of, uh, the household. And many women now, modern women in Senegal, and even some of the older women go to work and they hold different positions. Uh, we have, uh, like a prime minister, women, we have judges, we have professors. We, we, we have even women who wanna run for presidency. So they are very much, uh, engaged in all, all areas of, uh, of de of development of the country.

Speaker 2: 8:30

So bolo, you talked about education as part of the mission of Chiala and, uh, in our work in Senegal. How do you go about that? What is, how, what kind of methods of education are you doing?

Speaker 3: 8:41

There's different ways that the me the education, uh, is being done. Uh, one of them is that I do sometimes some short videos that, um, are in p the language that most of them will speak, uh, in that area to talk about diet, uh, what, what to avoid, like fried foods or things to avoid to in order to manage their blood pressure or to prevent, um, cholesterol. Because high blood pressure is very, very much common. We

Speaker 2: 9:13

Saw it everywhere,

Speaker 3: 9:14

Didn't we? So yeah, so teaching them about, uh, why they should be taking their blood pressure medications and if they don't, what's gonna happen, like stroke and heart attacks and things like that. And, and they have seen it, they have seen that starting to rise, uh, strokes and heart attacks, so they understand what that means. And now they know it's because you are not taking your blood pressure medication. Your blood pressure is in two hundreds, over a hundred. So you may just end up having the same thing.

Speaker 2: 9:43

I wanna segue a little bit into, into the diet. Do you think folks in Senegal are sticking to their traditional Senegalese diet, or are Western influences coming into play? Because when I was thinking about why blood pressure is, is going high, I wonder if it's because of less healthy dietary patterns that are, that are emerging.

Speaker 3: 10:06

I think, uh, there is a combination, I think of genetic predisposition and environment mm-hmm.<affirmative>, which is a diet and everything else. Uh, somebody can, uh, correct me if I'm wrong, but there are some studies that said that black people or African Americans are more likely to develop hypertension. What I know is, uh, this area is very, very hot and people are mostly dehydrated, uh, all, all the time. And they consume a big amount of sodium, which will increase the blood pressure. Then that's one of the big, big factors over there. They consume high sodium with, uh, bion like additives. When they cook, they like to fry food. And, um, like you said, the Western influence, uh, before, back in the day, my grandparents, they used to eat something local that's grown like fonio. It's a very, very, what's that Fonio is now back, it's here in the us. It's, it's a superfood. It's, it's like an ancient grain. If you, how do

Speaker 2: 11:07

You, how do

Speaker 3: 11:07

You spell it? F o n i o

Speaker 2: 11:10

F o n I O. Okay.

Speaker 3: 11:12

Yes. If you go to Whole Foods or, um, anywhere in the Whole Foods or organic places, they sell it. Also, we have tons of other things that are now here in the western area that people are using as super foods such as moringa, hibiscus and, uh, baba tree, uh, uh, food that I always bring to you guys.

Speaker 2: 11:34

You have brought me more baba juice and hibiscus juice polo. You know, listeners, I would love you to be able to experience the Senegalese diet because it was amazing.

Speaker 3: 11:43

Yes. And I, I try to,

Speaker 2: 11:45

I've had a lot of fish over there. There was a ton of fish.

Speaker 3: 11:47

Ton of fish and seafood. And I try here to go back to those roots because those are very, very healthy foods that, uh, our great grandparents used to eat and and use. And they fish and they grow their grains. So that's how they ate. It's like the blue zones mm-hmm.<affirmative>. But now with the Western influence, people think, oh, this soda is better than my eski juice. Or, um, uh, chips and McDonald and fried chicken. So that's what people fancy in. It's a fancy food now, quote unquote. Exactly. And that's what they ate. So that changing is really affecting their

Speaker 2: 12:24

Health. I saw a lot of traditional unprocessed foods in, in Senegal, but also, especially in Decar, the capital, you do see a lot of kind of less healthy options pre-packaged and processed

Speaker 3: 12:36

And that that's what many now go to. But fortunately, there is a movement, a whole grassroots movement of young women just like the millennials who, who are now going back, uh, they, they're having farmers markets where they sell those traditional grains and foods. People are trying to, to understand. And that's part of the education that Cala wants to do in Canalo. Wherever we can, we have the opportunity to teach people that food that you wanna leave behind is what you need.

Speaker 2: 13:05

Yeah. That's a great message. That's a great message. So we are talking to BOLO Jello Young. She is the president and founder of Cala Africa, a nonprofit organization which is dedicated to healthcare promotion in her native country of Senegal and in indeed around Africa. We're gonna take a quick break and we're gonna talk about some more specific healthcare issues that we encountered on our recent trip there, and find out how maybe you can help stay with us.

Speaker 1: 13:33

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Speaker 2: 13:56

One of the things that I know when we were there, we were in a big room with, I don't know, 50, 75, 90 teenagers led by a, a woman leader and, uh, um, a man and they were putting on role playing skits with us. Could you talk about what that group, that youth center was doing in your, to, in your town of rural Senegal? Tell us about that.

Speaker 3: 14:20

Yes. That group is actually one of the other, uh, things that Cali is doing in Senegal, which is to support young women to, uh, finish school so they can, um, be successful in life and be independent. So we are trying to promote women's self-sufficiency. So many young women in Senegal, although, like I said earlier, women have been playing a big role in the economy. But also there are so many barriers for women to get to that point. So many young women will be, uh, affected. Their education will be affected because of simple things such as menstrual periods. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>, so many, why, yes. Many young women who are like, uh, 12, uh, 13, uh, or 10 will start seeing day periods, but because they don't have pads mm-hmm.<affirmative> hygiene pads, and they're embarrassed to go to school, they stay home every month, they stay home so many days and they end up failing the test. And then they, they, they don't wanna go back anymore because they very disappointed. So they stay home and they, uh, drop out of school. So what Cella is doing with, uh, all the help from people who donated to help those women, those girls, uh, stay in school c was able to make. And all of our team of, uh, men and women and teenagers, we got together to soar those pads to distribute them to the girls, which they really, really appreciate. Those are reusable pads that they can, uh, use for a long period of time. We donated in 20 18, 20 12, and now, so the group of the young women and men that you saw with the sketches that they were doing is to educate, to raise the awareness of how military periods can affect young women. It's, uh, like sexual education for the young women and even for the young men. So to educate the dad, to educate the mom. So they play doing role plays. Uh, this is the dad, this is the mom, and how, how they can pay attention, how they can support those young women so they can continue to go to school.

Speaker 2: 16:32

I really want, um, listeners to hear that point. And, uh, it, there is data from around the whole world. If you want to help a, a country that is in the process of developing, probably there is no more intervention that is as effective as educating the girls that that is better than almost anything you can do is educate young women. And it had never occurred to me before, some of this work that simp the simple act of menstruation gets in the way of education if you can't handle that simple bodily function. You know, you know what struck me, bolo is that when we were there, and many, many people don't maybe know this, um, uh, Islam is the primary of religion of Senegal there, and you can maybe comment on that, but in, in many of the listeners maybe don't really, uh, that might come as a surprise to them, that we were in a country of, of that is, uh, predominantly the most warm, wonderful Muslim folks teaching young girls about sexual health and how to talk to their parents and about menstruation. Does that surprise you? Was, was that how you grew up? Were these topics that you talked about in Senegal? Because that's what struck me is you would get a whole bunch of teenagers in Minnesota blushing talking about those topics. And here they were probably blushing over there too, but we had all these young kids, 12, 13, 14 year olds talking about sensitive subjects in your, in your home country. It was Did that surprise you or,

Speaker 3: 17:58

Yes, it does surprise me because growing up, that's not how it

Speaker 2: 18:01

Was. That wasn't how it was growing up for you<laugh>. No,

Speaker 3: 18:05

No. Um, you learned it maybe through friends or cousins, bigger cousins or big sisters. Uh, you know, I mean sometimes, I mean, parents will warn you about being pregnant if you have your period, if you don't be careful. Right. So, but, uh, all the other little things, you learn it through peers.

Speaker 2: 18:24

Could you tell a little bit about how women deliver babies? Just

Speaker 3: 18:28

Briefly? Yes. Um, things are changing a little bit now, but before, uh, most women delivered at home in the remote areas, uh, in big cities like Dakar, maybe in the hospital, but remote areas they, they deliver at home, visa, doula, kind of like something that corresponding to doula, just all the women who have knowledge,

Speaker 2: 18:49

The expert wise, women, common help.

Speaker 3: 18:52

Yes. But yeah, if anything happens, like something happens, uh, you know, unexpectedly they could, it could be a disaster. Now they leaning more towards going to the hospital or to the dispensary, like, uh, the clinic where we practice when we,

Speaker 2: 19:08

And we saw three babies born there. Yes. In one week. It's basically the clinic.

Speaker 3: 19:12

Yes. So they have a midwife now over there and some, uh, helpers and, uh, doulas I think that help, uh, during the birth. And if you remember last year, chal had donated lot of beds and birthing equipments, uh, such as oxygen, uh, monitor baby, monitor, baby warmer, and uh, just, uh, pretty much everything you need in a birthing center. Um, and that was very much appreciated because we have data that the nurse practitioner gave us, uh, how many babies were given oxygen because of that and survived. And how many moms were able to, to, to utilize, uh, the equipments that we had there. And they were able to check hemoglobin because they didn't have a way to do that to predict bleeding. So they used the point of care hemoglobin. Mm-hmm.<affirmative> check that we gave an ultrasound also, uh, we also donated ultrasound machine. So all of that is, uh, helping the dispensary because that's where the low income people go to the people who can't afford. And c made sure that they know this is for free. Nobody should be charged other than maybe to buy a battery or something, but they should not be charged. That's why they're very much encouraged to go to the dispensary.

Speaker 2: 20:31

I'm gonna segue into a new, a little, uh, another little topic here. I'd like you to tell us a little bit about, uh, just briefly a little bit about the culture of Senegal. I mentioned that it was, uh, primarily Muslim country. I mentioned that you speak four languages. Tell me a little bit more about the culture of Senegal.

Speaker 3: 20:47

So the majority, 95% is Muslim and 5% Christians and less than one other. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>. So, but, uh, this is, uh, one of the only countries in the world where you see Muslims and Christians live together in a very, very mbic way. Some of the ethnic groups like Sarahs or Jola, you can find a family of two that will have both Christians and Muslims. We share all the holidays. Uh, if it's Eid, nobody goes to work or school, we all celebrate together. If it's Christmas, nobody goes to school or work. We all celebrate together. Sometimes you may see people on the street, you don't know who's who. So that's, we are blessed that way. And our religious leaders are the ones who get together to solve any problem that's happening in the country.

Speaker 2: 21:32

I wish everybody could see that. I experienced that acceptance of people and diversity there, um, in incredible ways. On we, we took a bus from Dakar to Canal. It's a, I dunno, 6, 8, 10 hour ride. But on the way we went through the town of Tuba, T O U B A where the largest mosque in the country is, and this is a beautiful, beautiful site listeners. It takes up 4, 5, 6, 8 city block blocks. It has mints and beau. It's just beautiful. And we, we roll in on a Friday, which is prayer day. And I swear there were 10,000 people all praying at once. And our group contained some African folks from Liberia, from Senegal, but it also contained a bunch of white folks from Minnesota. And we get down, the men go to the men's part and the women go to the women's part. And I was down on my knees on the Friday praying in this largest mosque in the country next to a Jewish man in a Christian man

Speaker 3: 22:28

And a Muslim man.

Speaker 2: 22:29

And a Muslim, yeah. There was a Jewish guy, there was me and there was some Muslim guys and we're surrounded by 10,000 people. And it felt so right at the time.

Speaker 3: 22:38

Yes, it was beautiful. We have a picture of all of us, Muslim and Christian and Jewish Africans and Europeans all together in one picture. Uh, just, you know, doing this love together and that's all what matters. The

Speaker 2: 22:55

Love. Yeah. Yeah. E exactly. And then an elderly gentleman from the, from the town, probably you could spot us a mile away. We were maybe the only white people of the 10,000<laugh>. Um, but he found us and he and he gave us a two hour long tour of the mosque. And it takes about that long cuz it's six city blocks. And it was so incredible and we won't get into the details, but you went and found the imam of the mosque and we stood together in a circle at this, at this most grand place in the whole country and did some, uh, had some prayer little time together and how meaningful that was to me. And it just struck me as what it can be like when people from different faiths in different countries all come together.

Speaker 3: 23:37

Yes. And that struck me to

Speaker 2: 23:39

Okay, bolo as different as the country of Senegal is in many ways. In some ways it's very similar people there, people here Covid. What is the situation in Senegal with Covid?

Speaker 3: 23:49

Actually, you know, this is very interesting because we haven't seen any Covid case in within the patients.

Speaker 2: 23:55

Right. We didn't see any while we were there. Is that just cuz we're not testing or people aren't, what why is it

Speaker 3: 23:59

Is, um, maybe we are not testing and and also we haven't seen symptoms. Right. And I, I don't know. Uh, Cannel is a very open air area. You know, it's not closed,

Speaker 2: 24:10

Uh, like everything's outdoor. Not everything's outdoor, but even homes. Yeah. But I happen to know, it's not that there's no covid in there because while we were there we encountered a few people that had Covid.

Speaker 3: 24:20

Yes. Actually I've never had Covid since it started 2019. I had Covid in Senegal.

Speaker 2: 24:27

<laugh>, I know<laugh>. The three people were from

Speaker 3: 24:30

Our group. Yeah. Three people in our group. Uh, I am one of'em. We had Covid and uh, but the good news is I think because of the vaccine, like mm-hmm.<affirmative>, I, I had all of my four vaccines before I left and we all did. I didn't even know I had Covid. I just felt like I have allergies.

Speaker 2: 24:46

Right.

Speaker 3: 24:46

And I wasn't sick at all. But, uh, since one of us was positive for Covid, so we had to test everybody before we went to the clinic. So I tested and I was positive and unfortunately I couldn't go to the clinic. And I felt so bad because about 150 people were waiting for us and we had to cancel the clinic day. But because I was, I was feeling so bad, I decided I'm, I was gonna do telehealth. So

Speaker 2: 25:12

You did telehealth in rural Senegal?

Speaker 3: 25:15

Yes. And it worked. Yes. The way I did it, I, I have somebody, uh, my cousin who came with us was at the clinic and he did, uh, WhatsApp video call mm-hmm.<affirmative>. And I'll see the patient and I'll ask questions and he'll help them answer the questions. And then, uh, if I know what it is, uh, you know, it's usually it's high blood pressure or, or good. Or things like that. Yeah. Then I'll write down what needs to be prescribed. So I send him the, the message and then he'll go to the pharmacy and get them. So I was able to see 15 patients and I was happy.

Speaker 2: 25:48

That's incredible. Even in that setting, you were able to do telehealth. I'll have, you know, I did go to clinic that day and saw like gazillion patients that day, but my, my, my PK and my wall off aren't very good. So I had to use an interpreter for everything. So that, that was an incredible thing. Yeah. It, but it is interesting though. It does seem to be in general a more open air society, at least in Canal. Yeah. And since we were there in the dry season, mosquitoes weren't really a big deal. So malaria wasn't even really a big deal. And so I wonder No, and I don't wonder, I think that's probably a great deal of it, is that just the, that outdoor sort of lifestyle probably didn't lead to as much covid in the country.

Speaker 3: 26:26

Yep. Even 2020 till now, there wast many cases over there.

Speaker 2: 26:30

So, and I don't think I encountered anybody who was telling me in that clinic, hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of people that they had symptoms that sounded like covid. So maybe, maybe, uh, the country, uh, maybe it wasn't quite as big a thing. No. Which is a good thing. Yes. So listeners, BOLO leads an organization that is trying to make a difference in health education, in childbirth, in the development of girls and their education in treating hypertension. This is an organization I want you to know about. And before we close, I wanna just tell you just a teeny bit more about BOLO because she won't say it, but I will. She is a visionary who not only has started this nonprofit, but she's also brought her expertise and her caring attitude towards people in Minnesota where she cares for people in our hospital. She also has a small business where she provides some of the best skincare products there ever. Were using natural products, um, and Shea butter from her Native Africa. And she is a visionary person that you should get to know. So bolo, um, I'm gonna ask you to close us, but what would you, what one or two or three things would you like to leave people with?

Speaker 3: 27:37

Oh, yeah. Uh, before that, uh, the bolos body butter, the, the, the skincare, 10% of the sales go towards

Speaker 2: 27:43

Al. Okay. So, so you don't even keep all of the that's, you don't currently keep any of the money you make off

Speaker 3: 27:47

The sink. Well, that's the reason why I, I started doing it because I didn't wanna continue to just ask people every time, you know, to donate. So I said, is there anything that I can do that can generate money for the organization? And it was this, so then the, the skincare took off and every time I sell, the 10% goes towards it.

Speaker 2: 28:06

Bolos body butter. Okay. So how do people find this? I mean, your product care product,

Speaker 3: 28:11

How they find it product is right now on Instagram and Facebook. Bolos, body butter, just my name and body butter.

Speaker 2: 28:16

Okay. People look that up. That's the first thing. What else do you want people to know about Chiala in your work?

Speaker 3: 28:22

Chal is, uh, open and welcoming anybody. You can be a nurse, you can be a janitor, you can be a housekeeper. Everybody has a job within Cell. We are looking for help. If you wanna give$2, it's welcomed. If you wanna sponsor a pregnant woman through our day, uh, entire nine month of pregnancy or two years after postpartum so that the child is, is followed for two years, you're welcome. Or if, if you wanna sponsor somebody with, uh, blood pressure to fill their medications, that's also easy. It takes only maybe$50 or less. And, uh, thank you so much. We are grateful for anybody that, uh, puts their hands on cala

Speaker 2: 29:03

Listeners. Go to chialo.org org. C e l l a l.org. It means health in the Plar language, and BOLO is its founder and its President bolo. Thank you for talking to us about Senegal, about the work you do. You've always, I've said it a million times, I'll say it again. You've been an inspiration and a dear friend to me and I'm glad that some other people are gonna get to hear about the amazing work you do. Thank you so much.

Speaker 3: 29:28

Thank you so much for having me, Dr. Hilden. And as always, I am always grateful for you and for your support, you and your family. Thank you. The

Speaker 2: 29:37

World is a wonderful place when we all come together. And so, so we've been talking to Bolo Diallo Young, a nurse practitioner here with me at Hennepin Healthcare in downtown Minneapolis, and the founder of Chiala Africa. Find out more about it at C e L L aal.org. Our next episode promises to be chockful of information as we tackle the subject of Attention Deficit hyperactivity disorder, otherwise known as D h d with a psychiatry colleague of mine, Dr. John Weger. It's gonna be a great episode. You don't wanna miss it, so I hope you'll join us and in the meantime, be healthy and be well.

Speaker 1: 30:11

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